I’m a Mormon, So…

I’m a Mormon, so I do not gamble.

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All bets are off in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. No lottery, slots, betting, Craps, or Texas Hold ‘Em. We are even discouraged from friendly betting or casual games of poker -or, at least, were as children by our parents- just to be safe.

We’re advised to avoid all forms of gambling in order to avoid its addictive and destructive side effects.

Gambling is motivated by a desire to get something for nothing. This desire is spiritually destructive. It leads participants away from the Savior’s teachings of love and service and toward the selfishness of the adversary. It undermines the virtues of work and thrift and the desire to give honest effort in all we do.

LDS General Handbook, “Gambling”

Utah is the only state in these United States of America to not allow ANY form of gambling.

©2022 Chel Owens

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Technically, we Mormons are officially members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and are to drop any name but that. Since many still run with the nickname of ‘Mormon,’ however, I will keep pace.

My other note is that I will keep to official doctrinal practices. I will add my own application of them, especially in response to comments.

My final note is that I LOVE discussing anything I write. Don’t be rude, obviously, but any and all queries or responses are welcome.

My final note beyond the final note is that I do not seek to convert anyone. I ought to, but am motivated by forming connections, answering curiosity, and straightening pictures. So, you’re safe.

61 thoughts on “I’m a Mormon, So…

  1. willowdot21 March 14, 2022 / 2:42 pm

    I am with you on gambling I believe it is a real scrurge. It ruins lives, it breaks families, it ruins lives it is evil 💜

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    • Chel Owens March 14, 2022 / 4:20 pm

      I’ve seen that, yes. I know many people gamble occasionally just fine as well. 🤷‍♀️

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      • willowdot21 March 14, 2022 / 5:24 pm

        I can across a tad stern there sorry it is just the way I feel but it comes across a tad harsh 💜

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        • Chel Owens March 14, 2022 / 6:32 pm

          Oh no. I didn’t think you were at all.

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          • willowdot21 March 15, 2022 / 12:28 am

            I read it last night and thought …ouch! 😌

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  2. Richmond Road March 14, 2022 / 3:44 pm

    We’ve stumbled upon some common ground here! There is a bit of Presbyterian and Methodist influence in my past, though I bluntly refuse to give any credit to those institutions in terms of my anti-gambling stance. I abhor any form of gambling on the grounds that it is based entirely upon greed and, as your team points out, the foolish wish to ‘get something for nothing’.
    To further enrage my senses it is (here in Australia, anyway) actively promoted by governments as a form of tax revenue …. conveniently overlooking statistical evidence that it does more social damage than illicit drugs.

    But just like all the other ethical edicts issued by religious leadership one does not need God’s direction to see the sense in avoiding gambling. Similarly, it seems unlikely that, when Moses came stumbling down Mt Sinai and solemnly announced God’s decision that ‘Thou shall not kill’ the populous responded with, “Gee, really? I never would have thought of that one!”

    Common sense is all that’s required. One might argue that common sense itself is a gift from God (though perhaps not evenly dished out) but then one is left with the question of why He would supply us with something that renders his own existence as preposterous.

    But I suppose that’s a debate for another day.

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    • Chel Owens March 14, 2022 / 4:24 pm

      I heartily believe we would need no God if each person behaved by set rules and possessed common sense. Then again, even within those parameters, the ‘set rules’ shift according to social climate more than logic or future health of humanity.

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      • Richmond Road March 14, 2022 / 4:54 pm

        Hmmmm …. so are you suggesting that God exists because we need Him? That He is a function of our need? Perhaps the we created God in our own image (rather than the other way around) to be a perfect version of ourselves? An impossible standard with which to compare ourselves? We may be on more common ground than I thought!

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        • Chel Owens March 14, 2022 / 6:32 pm

          Not precisely. I’m suggesting that one’s idea of God exists according to how he or she is able to relate to and understand God -including atheists.

          I’m not so cynical as to say such persons must be narcissist or egotistical as to name Him only as they see themselves. At least, not currently although I have approached such ideas in the past.

          I’m sure you and I agree on many things! 🙂

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          • Richmond Road March 14, 2022 / 6:50 pm

            Fair enough. I can see a case there for arguing that God is an internal experience – a sort of mental/spiritual experience (as apposed as a figment of the imagination) and that the church, therefore, is a little more than an accumulation of experience from over the eons (but a valuable reference nonetheless).
            The question remains of any sort of ‘entity’ which we might choose to call God.
            The Mormons, I understand, are awaiting the second coming – but it could be that the second coming is not an event referenced to time, but rather the constant evolutionary change of understanding

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            • Chel Owens March 14, 2022 / 11:49 pm

              Interesting idea. I see that “internal experience” as the Holy Ghost and have felt very distinct directions or instincts from it that I cannot wish away as my own imaginings. Thus is my reasonings and one of many reasons I originally phrased that I know God exists. Whatever He is, precisely, and can do, precisely, and knows, precisely, is what everyone debates about.

              And you are correct about that Second Coming. It is the time that Jesus Christ will return to Earth and take the righteous souls with Him. I believe other faiths refer to it as The Rapture. What sort of “change of understanding” do you propose?

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              • Richmond Road March 15, 2022 / 1:36 am

                I am not proposing anything, but suggesting rather that those awaiting a second coming may be disappointed if they imagine that being an event on, for example, July 24th 2076. Some might be better to discard their concept of time and see a second coming as having already occurred, currently occurring and yet to occur simultaneously.
                Needless to say (I hope) I view the first coming as mythology rather than fact and therefore freed from the bonds of time. A second coming would, therefore, be similarly free of such limitations.
                Even in mythology, very few people noticed Jesus Christ the first time, and even fewer will the second time.

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                • Chel Owens March 15, 2022 / 7:37 am

                  Fascinating, on both counts.

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  3. Tippy Gnu March 14, 2022 / 3:54 pm

    I don’t like gambling, either. But isn’t it ironic that Las Vegas was founded by a Mormon? Probably not with that intention, though.

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    • Chel Owens March 14, 2022 / 4:25 pm

      We talked about that very thing when we drove through last weekend!

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  4. Frank Hubeny March 14, 2022 / 5:53 pm

    I agree with you on gambling. During family gatherings we sometimes play card games (like Hearts), but there is no betting involved. I sometimes wonder if this is a good thing.

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    • Chel Owens March 14, 2022 / 11:45 pm

      I think any activity can become a vice if used inappropriately. Honestly, I think games on apps need much more monitoring.

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  5. CarolCooks2 March 14, 2022 / 8:28 pm

    Gambling, other than betting on horse races or the government-sponsored Thai lottery, is prohibited in Thailand. The prohibition dates back to the Gambling Act 1935…Go figure!

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    • Chel Owens March 14, 2022 / 11:54 pm

      That’s interesting. I wonder if they had a lot of trouble with it?

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      • CarolCooks2 March 15, 2022 / 1:34 am

        .I’m sure some gambling goes on underground as like everywhere when something is banned… If you are caught then the penalties are severe..

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  6. Pam Webb March 14, 2022 / 9:48 pm

    So dice games like Monopoly are out?

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    • Chel Owens March 14, 2022 / 11:54 pm

      I’m pretty sure LDS play Monopoly -while eating chocolate and drinking Diet Dr. Pepper. 😀

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  7. petespringerauthor March 14, 2022 / 11:29 pm

    I have found this series quite enlightening, Chel, mainly because you explain the logic behind the beliefs. I was raised Catholic, but some teachings seemed incongruent with what I thought it meant to be a Christian. When Catholics commit sins, they typically go to confession and ask for God’s forgiveness.

    What is the Mormon practice for those that violate their teachings?

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    • Chel Owens March 14, 2022 / 11:56 pm

      Thanks, Pete. I’m actually trying to work on writing that one… I got started a few week’s ago, then realized I needed to provide more background.

      If you sin, it’s between you and God -unless it’s a serious sin like murder. In that case, you need to go to your bishop (like a priest) and then make restitution and accept the judgment of a special council regarding your membership and what you’ll need to do.

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      • Ian Kay March 15, 2022 / 4:48 am

        Surely murder is a statutory crime, even in Utah?

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      • Richmond Road March 15, 2022 / 5:04 am

        That’s interesting. You seem to be suggesting that there is some sort of sliding scale when it comes to sin and that we, as humans, are expected to implicitly understand the relative seriousness. Because, let’s face it, God has not been completely transparent about all this.

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        • Chel Owens March 15, 2022 / 7:51 am

          Well, naturally there’s a scale. He was transparent about that as well. One wasn’t stoned for envy in his heart, after all.

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          • Richmond Road March 15, 2022 / 3:45 pm

            I didn’t think God was big on stoning at all. I might be wrong there, of course, but it certainly seems to have faded in popularity more recently.
            And I really don’t think God has ever been all that transparent about anything. Even for a believer I think much of this remains a beautiful mystery.

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            • Chel Owens March 15, 2022 / 4:00 pm

              I suppose it’s more like a treasure hunt.

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              • Richmond Road March 15, 2022 / 4:06 pm

                Ha ha! Yes, you may be right! A lucky dip! Perhaps a lot depends on what sort of mood God is in on the day you arrive to atone for your sins.
                I think Kurt Vonnegut suggested that the first thing he planned to say at that meeting was, “I’m sorry God, but you really didn’t give us enough information.”

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    • Richmond Road March 15, 2022 / 5:14 am

      Whoops …. I hit the send button too soon. If I was, for example, to notice, with a little hint of lust, while glancing over the back fence, the attractiveness of my neighbour’s wife in her bikini (and to momentarily covet her) then I might chide myself and work upon suppressing such feelings in the future. But if I were to let things get out of hand and an act of adultery were to result would it then be time for a serious fireside chat with the bishop? As I say, God seems a bit unclear on the matter.

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      • Chel Owens March 15, 2022 / 7:53 am

        One can only assume such specifics were in books not currently in circulation. 🙂

        We have an official handbook of instructions for dealing with such things, and that handbook was recently made public.

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        • Richmond Road March 15, 2022 / 3:47 pm

          Books not currently in circulation???? Are you suggesting that some of ‘God’s Word’ has gone out of print?

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            • Richmond Road March 15, 2022 / 4:07 pm

              Well …. I suppose it’s comforting to see that even He finds it difficult to find a decent publisher.

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  8. Nope, Not Pam March 15, 2022 / 12:57 am

    Never been a gambler and I can see the ideology regarding something for nothing, but what about games like pass the parcel etc. These also fit the explanation.

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    • Chel Owens March 15, 2022 / 7:18 am

      What about objects like pencils counting as weapons in school? 🙂 We usually count it if there’s money being wagered.

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      • Nope, Not Pam March 15, 2022 / 1:15 pm

        Ok, that makes more sense 🙂

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  9. An Artist Named M March 15, 2022 / 4:32 am

    Wow…Only one state outlaws gambling. I myself watched my parents waste money on the lottery growing up, they were both obsessed with notebooks filled with number combinations. I will occasionally albeit rarely play the Powerball (a multi state lottery), but only ever buy one ticket. I used to enjoy playing the slots when actual coins came out. Now it’s simulated noise with a paper voucher. The thrill is gone. That’s the extent of my gambling.

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    • Chel Owens March 15, 2022 / 7:42 am

      Yeah… Hawaii outlaws all but one, so it’s often lumped with Utah. And only two states allow casinos, apparently.

      The way you do it is the way to go. I can’t believe they’ve just got a simulated noise now; how lame!

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      • An Artist Named M March 15, 2022 / 9:40 am

        Yeah truly lame. In the 90’s I won $500 in quarters in Atlantic City…that was one hell of day

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          • An Artist Named M March 15, 2022 / 12:16 pm

            Yuppies I was grateful there was a large empty bucket nearby lol…that’s another thing…I usually played coin slots penny-nickle-dime-quarter now you have to use your debit/credit card with a $10 minimum play

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  10. Norah March 15, 2022 / 4:48 am

    I didn’t know that about Utah, Chelsea. Interesting. Is it a mainly Mormon population?

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    • Chel Owens March 15, 2022 / 7:49 am

      According to the Salt Lake Tribune, “Utah is now 60.68% Latter-day Saint. This stat relies on state population estimates and could change after the official 2020 Census count.”

      The early Mormons settled this area and founded many towns in what are now surrounding states.

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      • Norah March 16, 2022 / 3:42 am

        That’s interesting. Thank you for adding that detail. It’s fun finding out stuff that I hadn’t even realised I didn’t know. 🙂

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        • Chel Owens March 16, 2022 / 6:32 am

          I didn’t know it, either! I just knew about the founding and that there are a lot of LDS people here!

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          • Norah March 20, 2022 / 3:35 am

            Then we’ve both learned. 🙂

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  11. Jim Borden March 15, 2022 / 8:25 pm

    I’ll buy the occasional Powerball ticket when it gets to be a really big number, which might be once or twice a year.

    I also will bet on March Madness, but all the proceeds go to charity, so I don’t think that’s gambling…

    but as far as casinos are concerned, I’ve spent perhaps $5 my whole life inside a casino…

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    • Chel Owens March 15, 2022 / 10:09 pm

      That’s the way to do it. 🙂 Did you ever win anything?

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  12. robbiesinspiration March 20, 2022 / 7:41 am

    Hi Chel, I don’t gamble either. I think gambling is foolish. I do by raffle tickets though, as the money usually goes to a good cause. Are you allowed to hold raffles?

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    • Chel Owens March 20, 2022 / 8:56 am

      That’s a good question. I’ve participated in raffles at church, so it’s probably fine.

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